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Comment author: Jan_Kulveit 01 January 2018 10:43:37PM *  2 points [-]

After thinking about it for a while I'm still a bit puzzled by the rated-100 or rated-1000 plan changes, and their expressed value in donor dollars. What exactly is here the counterfactual? As I read it, it seems based just on comparing "the person not changing their career path". However, with some of the examples of the most valued changes, leading to people landing in EA organizations it seems the counterfactual state "of the world" would be "someone else doing a similar work in a central EA organization". As AFAIK recruitment process for positions at places like central EA organizations is competitive, why don't count as the real impact just the marginal improvement of the 80k hours influenced candidate over the next best candidate?

Another question is how do you estimate your uncertainty in valuing something rate-n?

Comment author: Carl_Shulman 03 January 2018 03:17:15AM *  1 point [-]

Here is 80k's mea culpa on replaceability.

Comment author: Jan_Kulveit 03 January 2018 09:54:41AM 1 point [-]

Sure, first 80k thought your counterfactual impact is "often negligible" due to replaceability, then they changed position toward replaceability being "very uncertain" in general. I don't think you can just remove it from the model completely.

I also don't think in the particular case of central EA organizations hiring the uncertainty is as big as in general / I'm uncertain about this, but my vague impression was there is a usually a selection of good candidates to choose from when they are hiring.