Comment author: SamDeere 04 July 2017 03:26:18AM *  3 points [-]

Short-medium term: some minor UI changes, to bring branding more into line with the rest of

Longer term ideas (caveat — these are just at the thought bubble stage at the moment and it's not clear whether they'd be valuable changes):

  • I think there's appetite for a discussion space that's both content aggregation as well as original content. This might take the form of getting a more active subreddit (for example) happening, but plausibly this could be something specifically built-for-purpose that either integrates with or complements the existing forum.

  • We've thought about integrating logins between the webapp on (what is currently just EA Funds) and the forum to avoid the need to manage multiple accounts when doing various EA things online

  • We've also thought a bit about integrating commenting systems so that discussion that happens on various EA blogs is mirrored on the forum (to avoid splitting discussions when cross-posting).

If there are things that you think would be useful (especially if you've been able to give this more thought than I have) that'd be great to know, with the caveat that we're pretty restricted by developer time on this, and the priority is ensuring ongoing maintenance of the existing infrastructure, rather than building out new features.

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Comment author: ThomasSittler 04 July 2017 01:40:52PM *  1 point [-]

Other changes you might consider:

(1) Creating more than one category for posts (e.g. research, outreach, announcements, chat).

A first advantage is you can group by topic. The second big advantage I see from this is that different norms can develop for different categories. The threshold for posting in the EA forum is currently (perceived to be) too high for drafts or off-the-cuff ideas. So these either don't happen or move to Facebook (where discoverability is much worse). On the other hand, the prestige of posting, and the quality of discussion, is too low, so the most influential and busy EAs may not see it as a good use of their time. A way to improve this may be to have a very strictly moderated high-prestige section, and a more loosely moderated low-prestige section.

(2) Allowing markdown in the post composer

Comment author: Austen_Forrester 19 June 2017 10:06:38PM 0 points [-]

Have you considered combining the "GiveWell for impact investing" idea with the Effective Altruism Funds idea and create an EA impact investing biz within your charity? You could hire staff to find the best impact investing opportunities and create a few funds for different risk tolerances. Theoretically, it could pay for itself (or make serious money for CEA if successful enough) with a modest management fee. I'm not sure if charities are allowed to grant to businesses, but I know they can operate their own businesses as long as it's related to their mission.

Comment author: ThomasSittler 25 June 2017 08:35:23PM 0 points [-]

Hi Austen :) You may find this page useful, especially the "further reading".


QALYs/$ are more intuitive than $/QALYs

Cross-posted from my blog . Summary Cost-effectiveness estimates are often expressed in $/QALYs instead of QALYs/$. But QALYs/$ are preferable because they are more intuitive. To avoid small numbers, we can renormalise to QALYs/$10,000, or something similar. Cost-effectiveness estimates are often expressed in $/QALYs. Four examples: GiveWell, “Errors in DCP2... Read More
Comment author: ThomasSittler 31 May 2017 11:59:15PM 4 points [-]

It seems to me that the main reason people are sometimes insufficiently friendly or reliable is not the lack of papers detailing the benefits of considerateness.

Comment author: BenHoffman 21 May 2017 11:29:59PM 4 points [-]

Our prior strongly punishes MIRI. While the mean of its evidence distribution is 2,053,690,000 HEWALYs/$10,000, the posterior mean is only 180.8 HEWALYs/$10,000. If we set the prior scale parameter to larger than about 1.09, the posterior estimate for MIRI is greater than 1038 HEWALYs/$10,000, thus beating 80,000 Hours.

This suggests that it might be good in the long run to have a process that learns what prior is appropriate, e.g. by going back and seeing what prior would have best predicted previous years' impact.

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 11:18:47AM 2 points [-]

With the possible exception of StrongMinds, it's not the case that the previous years' impact is much easier to estimate than 2017's impact.

Comment author: Peter_Hurford  (EA Profile) 21 May 2017 11:09:32PM 1 point [-]

If you disagree with our prior parameters, we encourage you to try our own values and see what you come up with, in the style of GiveWell, who provide their parameters as estimated by each staff member.

Do you have these numbers published, broken down by staff member?

It also would be cool to see breakdowns of the HEWALYs/$ for each charity before and after the Bayesian update with the prior.

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 11:17:10AM 0 points [-]

No, we only have our group estimate published.

To see HEWALYs/$ before updating, you can look at the model outputs. You can also get them on our R Shiny app here by simply adding a line to calculate e.g. mean(miri).

Comment author: Peter_Hurford  (EA Profile) 21 May 2017 11:22:45PM 1 point [-]

we convert all estimates to “Human-equivalent well-being-adjusted life-years” (HEWALYs)

How do you do the "human equivalent" part?

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 11:14:50AM 0 points [-]

The process for this is described in the post for each model. I'll be happy to clarify if you still have questions after reading that.

Comment author: MichaelPlant 15 May 2017 12:37:17AM 3 points [-]

Great to see this here. Thanks Konstantin and Lovisa. A couple of thoughts.

It would be good if you'd put your headline results in the post and what, if anything, you think further flows from your conclusions (i.e. you now consider StrongMinds is more/less effective than something else, such as AMF).

Can you provide a link to the 0.658 DALY rating for depression? I can never remember how much of that is "years of life lost" and how much is "years lived with disability". There are two parts that make up DALYS and I think people should present them seperately; there are different views you can take on the badness of deaths. This is helpful to those of an Epicurean persuasion such as myself who are more concerned with making people happy than just keeping people alive (to riff off Narveson 1967).

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 11:07:16AM *  0 points [-]

Thanks for the comment.

Regarding epicureanism: More generally, breaking everything down into years of life lost to death, years of suffering, and years of potential future life enabled, would be a good idea for a future improvement of the models. It would enable us to see how the models work for people with different values. By the way anyone can make a copy of our models and adapt them! :)

Regarding your (separate) view that depression is much worse than consensus DALY weights account for, I think this is best thought of in relative terms. You want to make sure the HEWALY weights across all four models are consistent with your values and empirical beliefs, rather than just the DALY weight on depression in the StrongMinds model.

Comment author: Peter_Hurford  (EA Profile) 14 May 2017 08:55:32PM 1 point [-]

Wouldn't ~$660/DALY be likely, approximately less cost-effective than GiveDirectly?

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 11:00:07AM *  0 points [-]

Wouldn't ~$660/DALY be likely, approximately less cost-effective than GiveDirectly?

That's indeed what our current model says. I have some more comments at the bottom of this post.

Comment author: Peter_Hurford  (EA Profile) 21 May 2017 11:05:29PM *  3 points [-]

There is a fixed pool of charities that ACE will evaluate, which consists of 10-15 charities.

While I think this is a good simplifying assumption, it's incorrect and potentially makes a dramatic change to your model. The reason is that I think this assumption is what implies that "ACE will likely identify pretty-good charities very early on, and additional rounds do not lead to much change".

However, I'd view ACE as potentially still building research capacity to eventually evaluate more speculative and harder to understand options (such as the recent recommendation of The Good Food Institute) that previously could not be evaluated and may end up being cost-effective.

I also think this capacity will produce lumpy breakthroughs in evaluating cost-effectiveness and refining accuracy. Many of these breakthroughs have not happened yet and I could see them potentially dramatically changing the top charity list for ACE.

I don't have strong views on whether ACE is the best place for donations, all charities and causes considered, but I do strongly think that assuming ACE has already hit diminishing returns to research investment is a mistake and I do weakly think that building more research capacity and direct research are the most important investments in the animal-interested EA space.

(Disclaimer: I'm on the board of Animal Charity Evaluators, but only speak for myself here. I do not speak for ACE and I may have (and often do have) differing opinions than the ACE consensus.)

Comment author: ThomasSittler 23 May 2017 10:58:34AM *  1 point [-]

So there are a couple of claims here.

(i) ACE is building research capacity

(ii) ACE having more of this capacity in the future will enable them to evaluate a larger number of charities (including ones that are harder to evaluate).

(iii) ACE having more of this capacity in the future will enable them to evaluate charities with higher expected impact.

I'm not sure whether you're claiming (ii) or (iii) or both. And could you say a bit about what evidence you see for these three claims? Thanks for the useful comment!

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