Jeff Kaufman

Software Engineer @ Nucleic Acid Observatory
13895 karmaJoined Aug 2014Working (15+ years)Somerville, MA, USA
www.jefftk.com

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Software engineer in Boston, parent, musician. Switched from earning to give to direct work in pandemic mitigation. Married to Julia Wise. Speaking for myself unless I say otherwise.

Full list of EA posts: jefftk.com/news/ea

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the usual thing to do is to continue operating the property while looking for a buyer

Is that true even when "operating" means "making commitments to events many months out"? Which I would expect to make the building hard to sell.

(Though I guess you could switch to a new operating mode where you only do bookings on quite short notice? But I expect that would lose a very large part of the value of events since many of the people you want to attend can't do things on 3w notice)

Thanks for linking that one! In drafting this the two 80k articles I found were the two older ones I linked above: What Are The 10 Most Harmful Jobs and Show Me the Harm.  Is It Ever OK to Take a Harmful Job in Order to do More Good? is a much more detailed article, and I wish I'd seen it before writing this!

(I'm not sure why I didn't find it before -- looking now it's in the top few results for most reasonable searches)

Good illustration! I'd be curious how many people saying 2024 is the most important will in 2028 think 2024 was more important?

I did like the 1:32 bit where Obama says "this is... certainly the most important election in my lifetime". Which I take to be him making fun of this trope.

Thanks for writing this, and for liberating the draft!

As someone who's closer to category #2 than #1 (I worked in the corporate world for a long time before starting at an ea-aligned and -founded biosecurity nonprofit) I'm, as you say, naturally inclined to like this post. But considerations in the other direction:

  • People who didn't spend 5+ years in the corporate world and instead spent them doing altruistically useful things probably got a bunch of altruistically useful things done.

  • If you're advising young EAs on what to do after graduating this is effectively suggesting they wait 3-10y before substantially contributing, which is time during which they might drift away from EA (or AI might end the world as we know it, etc).

  • People who went to grad school (ex: my PhD biosecurity coworkers) are already pretty far into their career by the time they fully finish school. But maybe you're mostly thinking about college grads?

To the extent that you're thinking about where to recruit EAs for direct work, though, if you can find people with more experience in a wide range of work that's certainly valuable!

I guess, though judging by the votes on your "I gave this a downvote for the clickbait title" it seems to me that a lot of us think you're being unfair to the author.

I think it might be helpful to look at a simple case, one of the best cases for the claim that your altruistic options differ in expected impact by orders of magnitude, and see if we agree there? Consider two people, both in "the probably neutral role of someone working a 'bullshit job'". Both donate a portion of their income to GiveWell's top charities: one $100k/y and the other $1k/y. Would you agree that the altruistic impact of the first is, ex-ante, 100x that of the second?

I agree it would be better if the post explicitly compared the ex-ante and ex-post ways of looking at impact, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect the post make this distinction in its title.

The standard EA claim is that your decisions matter a lot because there are massive differences in impact between different altruistic options, ex ante. The core claim in this post, as I read it, is that this is not true because for there to be massive differences ex ante we would (a) need to understand the impact of choices much better and (b) we would need to be in a world where far fewer people contribute to any given advance.

I think the title does match the argument? I understand the post is claiming that in as much as it is possible to evaluate the impact of individuals or decisions, as long as you restrict to ones with positive impact the differences are small, because good actions tend to have credit that is massively shared.

I haven't read it, but the Oxford Handbook of Social Movements is probably a treasure trove

We have a copy, if anyone in the Boston area would like to borrow it. I tried to read it but found it very slow going.

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