Comment author: Eli_Nathan 07 August 2018 07:09:53PM 4 points [-]

Thanks Marek,

I remember some suggestions a while back to store the EA funds cash (not crypto) in an investment vehicle rather than in a low-interest bank account. One benefit to this would be donors feeling comfortable donating whenever they wish, rather than waiting for the last possible minute when funds are to be allocated (especially if the fund manager does not have a particular schedule). Just wondering whether there's been any thinking on this front?

Comment author: Eli_Nathan 02 August 2018 11:28:05AM 6 points [-]

Thanks Rossa,

I'm wondering how you see 1FTW's position changing due to the presence of OpenPhil and a shift towards a more money rich, talent poor community (across certain cause areas)?

In my eyes, the comparative advantage for student groups is more about driving engagement and plan changes and less about raising funds. Of course, money still goes a long way, but I'm skeptical that group leaders should be spending their time focusing on (relatively) small donations over building communities of talented, engaged individuals.

Is your view that 1FTW will be a better outreach vehicle (than standard community building techniques) for certain demographics? It seems that 1FTW attracts similar types of people that the GWWC pledge would, but at higher quantities due to the lower barrier. However, I'm skeptical that this lower barrier is necessarily a positive thing, because it would seem that, on average, these individuals are less likely to further engage with the EA community at large.

Is this something you're concerned about, or do you think these concerns are relatively minor?

Comment author: remmelt  (EA Profile) 01 July 2018 09:29:43PM *  0 points [-]

Ah, in this model, I see ‘effectiveness in executing actions according to values’ a result of lots of directed iteration of improving understanding at lower construal levels over time (reminds of the OODA loop that Romeo mentions above, will also look into the ‘levels of analysis’ now ). In my view, that doesn’t require an extra factor.

Which meta-ethical stance do you think this wouldn’t fit into the model? I’m curious to hear your thoughts to see where it fails to work.

Comment author: Eli_Nathan 03 July 2018 03:40:26PM 1 point [-]

Ah okay - I think I understand you, but this is entering areas where I become more confused and have little knowledge.

I'm also a bit lost as to what I meant by my latter point, so will think about it some more if possible.

Comment author: remmelt  (EA Profile) 01 July 2018 12:53:47PM 0 points [-]

I'm happy to hear that it's useful for you. :-)

Could you clarify what you mean with agentive? The way I see it, at any of the levels from 'Values' to 'Actions', a person's position on the corrigibility scale could be so low to be negative. But it's not an elegant or satisfactory way of modelling it (i.e. different ways of adjusting poorly to evidence could still lead to divergent results from an extremely negative Unilateralist's Curse scenario to just sheer mediocrity)

Comment author: Eli_Nathan 01 July 2018 01:16:52PM 0 points [-]

By agentive I sort of meant "how effectively an agent is able to execute actions in accordance with their goals and values" - which seems to be independent of their values/how aligned they are with doing the most good.

I think this is a different scenario to the agent causing harm due to negative corrigibility (though I agree with your point about how this could be taken into account with your model).

It seems possible however that you could incorporate their values/alignment into corrigibility depending on one's meta-ethical stance.

Comment author: Eli_Nathan 01 July 2018 12:33:09PM 1 point [-]

I really liked this post and the model you've introduced!

With regards to your pseudomaths, a minor suggestion could be that your product notation is equal to how agentive our actor is. This could allow us to take into account impact that is negative (i.e., harmful processes) by then multiplying the product notation by another factor that takes into account the sign of the action. Then the change in impact could be proportional to the product of these two terms.