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Comment author: jsteinhardt 13 April 2018 02:34:44AM 3 points [-]

I'm worried that you're mis-applying the concept of comparative advantage here. In particular, if agents A and B both have the same values and are pursuing altruistic ends, comparative advantage should not play a role---both agents should just do whatever they have an absolute advantage at (taking into account marginal effects, but in a large population this should often not matter).

For example: suppose that EA has a "shortage of operations people" but person A determines that they would have higher impact doing direct research rather than doing ops. Then in fact the best thing is for person A to work on direct research, even if there are already many other people doing research and few people doing ops. (Of course, person A could be mistaken about which choice has higher impact, but that is different from the trade considerations that comparative advantage is based on.)

I agree with the heuristic "if a type of work seems to have few people working on it, all else equal you should update towards that work being more neglected and hence higher impact" but the justification for that again doesn't require any considerations of trading with other people . In general, if A and B can trade in a mutually beneficial way, then either A and B have different values or one of them was making a mistake.

Comment author: ThomasSittler 13 April 2018 07:02:58AM *  3 points [-]

I think the marginal effects are crucial. If we think of the community as needing one ops person and one research person, the marginal value in each area drops to zero once that role is filled.

Take a simple model where everyone follows their absolute advantage (taking into account marginal considerations and what everyone else is doing). You still get problems when Alice and Bob need to choose simultaneously. Alice does not know what Bob will do, so she does not know what all the marginal considerations are. Alice and Bob should coordinate on each following their comparative advantage.

Owen Cotton-Barratt has a nice explanation of comparative advantage applied to EA.

Comparative advantage is a tricky one to wrap one's head around intuitively! (I study economics and I've often made mistakes about it, in public).

Comment author: jsteinhardt 17 April 2018 12:48:32AM 0 points [-]

If we think of the community as needing one ops person and one research person, the marginal value in each area drops to zero once that role is filled.

Yes, but these effects only show up when the number of jobs is small. In particular: If there are already 99 ops people and we are looking at having 99 vs. 100 ops people, the marginal value isn't going to drop to zero. Going from 99 to 100 ops people means that mission-critical ops tasks will be done slightly better, and that some non-critical tasks will get done that wouldn't have otherwise. Going from 100 to 101 will have a similar effect.

In contrast, in the traditional comparative advantage setting, there remain gains-from-coordination/gains-from-trade even when the total pool of jobs/goods is quite large.

The fact that gains-from-coordination only show up in the small-N regime here, whereas they show up even in the large-N regime traditionally, seems like a crucial difference that makes it inappropriate to apply standard intuition about comparative advantage in the present setting.

If we want to analyze this more from first principles, we could pick one of the standard justifications for considering comparative advantage and I could try to show why it breaks down here. The one I'm most familiar with is the one by David Ricardo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage#Ricardo's_example).