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Evan_Gaensbauer comments on Why not to rush to translate effective altruism into other languages - Effective Altruism Forum

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Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 05 March 2018 08:06:08AM 15 points [-]

Thanks for articulating arguments for this. There is a strong bias in favour of growth of various kinds in EA. There is an elementary growth strategy of naively pursuing growth as fast as possible. I also know several community members who are opposed to growing the movement much at all, as opposed to doing so carefully. However, hardly any effective altruists opposed to different kinds of movement growth lay out their arguments against them. This frustrates me as I'm genuinely curious to separate the good and bad arguments against rapid movement growth in EA, and that they're not publicly written out like this makes that difficult.

Giving arguments for how to do movement growth to allow for nuanced discussion, rather than if we should do much movement growth at all, is very helpful.

Comment author: ThomasSittler 05 March 2018 09:48:54PM *  4 points [-]

The two articles cited in the OP are good:

Read more about the “fidelity model", and “how valuable is movement growth”, which argues that we should focus on how attractive the ideas are before spreading them widely.

Comment author: DavidMoss 05 March 2018 10:04:02PM 4 points [-]

There is a strong bias in favour of growth of various kinds in EA.

This seemed more the case a couple of years ago. I think the pendulum has swung pretty hard in the other direction among EA thought leaders.

Comment author: Arepo 07 March 2018 06:03:21PM *  7 points [-]

Somewhat tangentially, am I unusual in finding the idea of 'thought leaders' for a movement about careful and conscientious consideration of ideas profoundly uncomfortable?

Comment author: DavidMoss 07 March 2018 06:27:23PM 2 points [-]

Definitely not. Often when I see the term used in EA it's being used negatively. To be fair though, the alternative terms I was considering using, "EA insiders", "EA elites", aren't too comfortable either.

Comment author: Denkenberger 03 April 2018 01:38:13AM 0 points [-]

Maybe "full time EAs?"

Comment author: DavidMoss 03 April 2018 03:17:20AM 0 points [-]

I think someone suggested this in previous discussions about what euphemism we could use for extreme/hardcore EAs. The problem here is that one can be a full time EA without being an insider and one can be an insider without being full time.

Comment author: frankfredericks 03 April 2018 08:36:45PM 1 point [-]

While I think that could be a fair metacritique, the science of social change nearly always requires thought leaders/leadership as a method of normalization. It's likely a sociological hangover of our tribal evolved psychology, but every tribe looks for a tribal leader. I'd say the EA movement is doing a decent job of put forward thoughtful voices without building a messianic culture. What do you think?

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 06 March 2018 04:47:43PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I haven't been checking. What data gave you that impression?