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kbog comments on Why & How to Make Progress on Diversity & Inclusion in EA - Effective Altruism Forum

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Comment author: kbog  (EA Profile) 15 May 2018 05:46:37PM *  0 points [-]

That sounds potentially important. Could you give an example of a failure mode?

The failure mode where people over-interpret things that other people say, and then come up with wrong interpretations.

I argue these kinds of signals are helpful for promoting a productive atomsphere; do they fall into the category you're calling "unnecessary disclaimers"?

Well you should probably signal however friendly you are actually feeling, but I'm not really talking about showing how friendly you are, I'm talking about going out of your way to say "of course I don't mean X" and so on.

https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/05/skip-value-signals.html

Comment author: kieuk 17 May 2018 05:00:12PM 0 points [-]

I'm not really talking about showing how friendly you are

It looks like we were talking at cross purposes. I was picking up on the admittedly months-old conversation about "signalling collaborativeness" and [anti-]"combaticism", which is a separate conversation to the one on value signals. (Value signals are probably a means of signalling collaborativeness though.)

you should probably signal however friendly you are actually feeling

I think politeness serves a useful function (within moderation, of course). 'Forcing' people to behave more friendly than they feel saves time and energy.

I think EA has a problem with undervaluing social skills such as basic friendliness. If a community such as EA wants to keep people coming back and contributing their insights, the personal benefits of taking part need to outweigh the personal costs.

Comment author: kbog  (EA Profile) 17 May 2018 05:44:29PM 0 points [-]

I think EA has a problem with undervaluing social skills such as basic friendliness. If a community such as EA wants to keep people coming back and contributing their insights, the personal benefits of taking part need to outweigh the personal costs.

Not if people aren't attracted to such friendliness. Lots of successful social movements and communities are less friendly than EA.